Our podcast, Conversations with Sports Fans, is about to celebrate its fourth birthday so we figured let’s go back to when Conversations was still a rumor. What’s happening here?
Just to review, The Fan Teaser was the creation of former Ann Arbor News Sports Editor Geoff Larcom. Longtime friend and fellow Ann Arbor News alum, Pat Schutte, took it to heights previously unknown. We aim to keep it alive here at The Sports Fan Project. The cropped photo and the accompanying clue give you an idea as to who or what the image is of. We invite you to use the Comment option to take a crack at solving the Teaser and, if you’re so inclined, participate in some good-spirited banter with your fellow sports fans. The Fan Teaser will appear each Friday morning with the reveal coming to you Sunday.
Artist Kim Fox sits among the 32 NFL team logos she created for the 2026 NFL Draft. (Photo by Matt Dayak)
I discovered Pittsburgh-area Kim Fox thanks in large part to former Conversations’ guest, Brian Fowler (S:5, E:26). Brian, of course, is the Las Vegas Raiders fan who broke a pair of Guiness World Records last season for attending the most NFL regular-season games in a season and fastest to see a game in all 32 stadiums.
Fowler was attending the 2026 NFL Draft and posted a video of the artist who created the 32 NFL logos that lined the corridor from the green room to the stage during this year’s draft in Pittsburgh. (See the video here on Instagram.)
That artist was Fox.
The more I discovered about Fox, her process, and her backstory, the more I hoped she’d be willing to join me on a future episode of Conversations. To my delight – and soon, yours! – she said yes.
During our time together we discover how she, at first, thought the contact from the NFL was a scam, how she went about sourcing the materials for her work, and how the team she worked with from the NFL could not have been any more accommodating.
The Cleveland Browns logo.
The Buffalo Bills logo.
The Detroit Lions logo.
A rough build of the New Orleans Saints’ logo.
Fox also shared what sports has meant to her throughout her life, growing up in southwest Pennsylvania, the impact of a family move to central Florida, and her ultimate decision to return to the Pittsburgh area.
You’re able to follow Kim and her work on Instagram (@workerbird) and visit her website (workerbird.com) where she has an entire section dedicated to her 2026 NFL Draft work.
Don Drooker from 2015 with many of his baseball cards. (Photo by Dave Martinez/Daily News-Sun)
(Editor’s Note: As we close in on the fourth anniversary of the launch of Conversations with Sports Fans [June 9th] we’re counting down the top four most-listened-to episodes in the show’s history. This is the third most-listened to episode.)
My wife’s cousin, John Gola III, owns a wildly popular and successful sports card and collectible shop in Phoenix, AZ, aptly named, AZ Sports Cards. I thought John would make a fantastic Conversations’ guest as someone working in the ever-changing and growing sports collectible industry.
John was squeamish about joining me, but offered up a worthy substitute in one of his store’s employees: Don Drooker.
In parlance Don (and many others) will understand, as a guest he was a Gem Mint.
To that moment, his was the longest episode I’d done. It clocked in just under 90 minutes and I was worried how it would be received.
Turns out, it was received very well!
Don shared stories of his fandom dating back to the time he saw Hall of Famer Ted Williams make his triumphant return from service during the Korean War. Yes, you read that correctly, Don was inFenway Park that day in 1953 and witnessed Williams receive a standing ovation for simply appearing as a pinch hitter and then again after popping out.
Haven’t listened to the Don Drooker episode yet? Check it out below.
Similar episodes to Don Drooker:
Season 2, Episode 18 Dennis Hafeli – One of my former high school English teachers, Dennis Hafeli was heavily into sports collectibles (especially cards and autographs) and during our Conversation he shares tales from his 25 years attending the card show in Cooperstown, NY, each Hall of Fame Induction Weekend; being present for Hank Aaron‘s record-breaking 715th home run; popping in to visit Mark Fidrych when he and his family happened to be in Northborough, MA, on a vacation; and serving as entertainment for the Detroit Lions’ 1980 training camp.
Dennis Harp donning his old letterman’s jacket from Montana’s Dawson college.
(Editor’s Note: As we close in on the fourth anniversary of the launch of Conversations with Sports Fans [June 9th] we’re counting down the top four most-listened-to episodes in the show’s history. This is the fourth most-listened-to episode.)
Dennis Harp happened upon my show thanks to a referral from Fred Inniger, himself a one-time guest (S:1, E:20) and a member of the $80 for 80 Circle of Champions.
Fred suggested Dennis because he knew him to be a terrific storyteller from Dennis’ times appearing on the sports radio show Fred then-hosted on WAWK 99.5 FM in northeastern Indiana.
Fred did not exaggerate!
Dennis, who grew up in tiny Wolcottville, IN, wound up becoming the youngest NCAA Division I men’s basketball coach in the country when he ascended to the lead chair at Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, TX. It was short-lived, however, as two years later the university reclassified as a NAIA school.
Dennis discussed all of it. From the joys of achieving his lifelong dream to the disappointment of leaving Division I to his decision to continue coaching at HSU following the move to NAIA. And, as Fred noted when he referred Dennis to me, his circle of acquaintances is sizable. During our time together he shared stories of being the father of a pair of college athletes as well as his relationships with a pair of coaching royals in Dale Brown and Bob Knight.
The ease with which Dennis spoke and the number of stories he shared in our hour together, it’s no wonder why this episode is among the top four most-listened-to at the moment.
Haven’t listened to the Dennis Harp episode yet? Check it out below.
Season 4, Episode 39 Dr. Klint Pleasant – Yep, this is Garth’s oldest son. Until recently he served as his father’s successor at RCU. Following the recently-completed basketball season, Klint was named the new President of Southwestern Michigan College. Like his father, he’s also a hall of famer, but only two in this case.
Season 3, Episode 28 Brooks Miller – A referral from Dennis Harp, Brooks Miller was fresh off coaching Trine (IN) University‘s men’s basketball team to the NCAA Division III National Championship when we spoke to him. Suffice to say, there was plenty to discuss.
My Conversation with Dennis Harp early in Season 3 is presently the fourth most-listened-to in Conversations’ history.
I find it nearly incomprehensible that what began almost four years ago as an earnest way to bring myself a little weekly joy by talking sports with family and friends and the occasional stranger is first, still occurring nearly four years later and second, afforded me the opportunity to have 266 such Conversations with people from – literally! – all over the world.
And, amazingly, just last week Conversations topped 10,000 total listens which, if you’re The Daily or Pod Save America or The Joe Rogan Experience, is a mediocre episode’s worth. If you’re some fella on a laptop with Bose earbuds and microphone in a basement studio in Southeast Michigan, well …
Couple the listenership milestone with Conversations with Sports Fans‘ impending fourth birthday (June 9, 2022) and that’s as good a reason to celebrate as any.
Which is exactly what I aim to do over the next week!
For starters, we’re going to count down (or is it up?) the top four most-listened-to episodes in the show’s history. The equivalent of our final four, I suppose;-) We’ll first feature the episode currently in fourth place along with a little background on the episode, how it came to be, its guest, and why I believe it’s been listened to so frequently. Then third, second, and first.
You’ll also hear this week’s regularly scheduled episode that features a fabulous Pittsburgh-area artist, Kim Fox, who recently completed a major job for the NFL. In addition to be an amazing artisan, Kim’s also a sensational storyteller and, as such, I belive you’ll really enjoy hearing her story.
Finally, birthday week will culminate with a special episode of Conversations that features a panel of previous guests who discuss what it’s like to be a sports fan in the year 2026.
Here’s the full upcoming schedule:
Tuesday – The fourth most-listened-to episode of Conversations
Wednesday – The third most-listened-to episode of Conversations
Thursday – This week’s regular episode features Pittsburgh-area artist, Kim Fox
Friday – The Sports Fan Project’s weekly feature, the Fan Teaser, maintains its spot in the lineup
Saturday – The second most-listened-to episode of Conversations
Sunday – The Fan Teaser Solution is revealed
Monday – The most-listened-to episode of Conversations
June 9 – A special episode of Conversations featuring a panel discussion about being a present-day sports fan
The last time the New York Knickerbockers won an NBA Championship this fella was in the regular rotation.
Most modern-day NBA fans will know this week’s #FanTeaser solution – Phil Jackson – not from his playing days but from his stellar work on the sidelines coaching some of the game’s most successful franchises.
But before Jackson was the Zen Master helping guide the Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Lakers to a total of 11 NBA Championships, he was a 12-year player in the league, including the first 10 with the New York Knicks.
Before becoming known as an 11-time NBA Champion coach, Phil Jackson won two rings as member of the New York Knicks (1971 and 1973). (New York Daily News Photo)
It was there that he tasted his first professional success, winning an NBA title in 1973.
Jackson played his college ball at the University of North Dakota for a future Hall of Fame coach, Bill Fitch. He became a second-round pick of the Knicks in the 1967 NBA Draft. He immediately became a rotational player with the Knicks, averaging nearly 15 minutes a game as a rookie. And that, in a nutshell, was what Jackson was during the majority of his time in New York. Only once did he start more than 25 games in a season (1974-75) and he never averaged more than 30 minutes per game.
He did, however, nab a ring with the 1973 Knicks’ team when he chipped in an average of eight points per game over 17 minutes per contest during the Knicks’ 4-1 Finals victory over the Los Angeles Lakers. (New York also won it all in 1970, but Jackson missed the season while recovering from spinal fusion surgery.)
Not a shabby top 12 for the 1972-73 Knicks.
As a coach, Jackson won three consecutive NBA titles three times! The 1991-93 Bulls, the 1996-98 Bulls, and the 2000-02 Lakers. He added a back-to-back with the Lakers in 2009 and 2010. Oh yeah, he also took two other Lakers’ teams to the Finals but wound up falling short (2004 and 2008).
One final amazing statistics. At the moment, there have been 80 NBA Championships. If you include Jackson’s two as a player (he was on that Knicks roster while recovering from surgery) that means he’s won 16.25% of those!
This video examines Jackson’s playing career.
Just to review, The Fan Teaser was the creation of former Ann Arbor News Sports Editor Geoff Larcom. Longtime friend and fellow Ann Arbor News alum, Pat Schutte, took it to heights previously unknown. We aim to keep it alive here at The Sports Fan Project. The cropped photo and the accompanying clue give you an idea as to who or what the image is of. We invite you to use the Comment option to take a crack at solving the Teaser and, if you’re so inclined, participate in some good-spirited banter with your fellow sports fans. The Fan Teaser will appear each Friday morning with the reveal coming to you Sunday.
The last time the New York Knickerbockers won an NBA Championship this fella was in the regular rotation.
Just to review, The Fan Teaser was the creation of former Ann Arbor News Sports Editor Geoff Larcom. Longtime friend and fellow Ann Arbor News alum, Pat Schutte, took it to heights previously unknown. We aim to keep it alive here at The Sports Fan Project. The cropped photo and the accompanying clue give you an idea as to who or what the image is of. We invite you to use the Comment option to take a crack at solving the Teaser and, if you’re so inclined, participate in some good-spirited banter with your fellow sports fans. The Fan Teaser will appear each Friday morning with the reveal coming to you Sunday.
At the time, I believe Mike was a member of SABR and was actually working on a biography or two for a future SABR-published book commemorating the 1984 Detroit Tigers’ World Championship. (Sadly, still the last Tigers’ championship.) Mike noted that the editors were looking for more authors of player biographies and that, if I was interested, I should contact ther a fella named Gary Gillette.
I did. He provided me a list of 1984 Tigers’ players in need of biographies and I selected Barbaro Garbey, the first Cuban to defect and play in Major Leagues.
At the time, I knew little about the history of the SABR Biography Project.
If you are now, like I was a couple of decades ago, in the dark about the Project, I have some terrific news for you!
Conversations with Sports Fans’ guest this week is Mark Armour, the man who founded the Project.
Mark is kind enough to share his fandom journey with listeners. It dates to his days as a youngster seeing Willie Mays for the first time as a San Francisco Giant to his family’s move to New England just in time for some late-1960s Boston Red Sox magic to his days now as a retiree in the Pacific Northwest.
He also talks plenty about SABR, his involvement with the organization, and its Biography Project. He also lets listeners learn a bit about his latest endeavor, “The Satchel Paige Project,” in which he attempts to document every game the Hall of Famer played in (professional, amateur, barnstormer, or otherwise). To the moment he’s over 2,000 total.
The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga’s McKenzie Arena is the sight of the annual Southern Scuffle collegiate wrestling tournament. The answer to the trivia question seen on the scoreboard? The University of Missouri.
My son, Jake, wrestled all four years of high school.
He had no prior experience wrestling, but felt like it’d be a good way to lose some weight, get stronger, and be a part of a team during his high school years. To his credit, Jake was clear-eyed enough to realize he wasn’t likely destined to play basketball or baseball in high school and never really expressed any interest in football, or soccer for that matter.
As far as his goals with wrestling: Mission accomplished. He emerged from his senior season looking quite different than the kid who walked through the door in ninth grade.
He didn’t experience a lot of individual success on the mat, but was part of a District Championship team and was a pesky competitor in the ultra-competitive 138 through 150-pound weight classes.
With that as the backdrop, when my traveling partner Wayne’s buddy Todd – whose Chattanooga home we’d be staying in while in Tennessee for the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision title game – mentioned the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga was hosting the annual Southern Scuffle college wrestling tournament I was totally down with attending.
Furthermore, because of the connection wrestling has to my son and our family, I became increasingly more comfortable including this on my Around the World in 80 Sporting Events journey. If you know anyone who’s sat on gymnasium bleachers for hours on end every Saturday from late November through mid-March to watch your kid on the mat for a few minutes of action you know how infectious the wrestling bug can be. Plus, my great-aunt Vi and uncle Bill were longtime Chattanooga residents. My family paid them a visit in my early teenage years and it seemed appropriate to return to the city as part of the this journey.
I had not been to gym to watch wrestling of any sort since Jake’s final match until I walked through the doors of UTC’s McKenzie Arena on January 4, 2026.
What is the Southern Scuffle?
Penn State’s Josh Barr, right, shakes hands with Maryland’s Branson John before their 197-pound semifinal match.
The short answer is that it’s an annual wrestling tournament dating back to 2003 that’s hosted by UTC the first weekend of the new year.
The slightly longer answer is that for this iteration there were 26 teams represented. That doesn’t necessarily mean the entire team traveled to Chattanooga for the event, it simply means at least one wrestler for those 26 schools was entered. Three of those 26 finished among the Top 10 nationally at the 2026 NCAA Championships in Cleveland, including the champion of each, Penn State.
Among the Penn State wrestlers was sophomore All-American Josh Barr. He entered the Scuffle as the No. 1 seed at 197-pounds and he did not disappoint, running roughshod through his five opponents en route to the title.
A product of Davison (MI) High School, Barr was familiar to Todd whose son was a former All-American at North Carolina State and current assistant coach for Penn State’s conference foe, Northwestern University. Barr later went on to win the 2026 NCAA Championship at 197 after finishing as runner up as a freshman.
Scuffleodians!?!
Some school set up shop in front of the UTC Moccasins’ athletic history mural. Is that a toaster under the ‘H’ and a half-gallon of milke in front of the Coleman cooler?
I’d not been to a college wrestling match/meet since my days at Eastern Michigan University. One of my freshman year dorm floor mates, Mark, was on the EMU wrestling team. He didn’t see much action as a freshman, but through the years when his balky shoulder allowed, he found his way onto the mat.
I recall a few of us turning out for Mark in our latter years on campus, but I’d not been to a multi-school meet such as the Southern Scuffle.
In many ways, it was not unlike my experiences through my son’s high school wrestling years. Schools carved out their spots along the concourse where they had inflatable mattresses and chairs to rest and food tables to maintain their strength and energy.
As I wandered about McKenzie Arena I saw wrestlers sleeping, grabbing bites to eat, chatting up fellow competitors, visiting with family or friends, watching video of either their previous matches or, perhaps, an upcoming opponent?
And my soundtrack as I enjoyed this walkabout? Well, it was McKenzie’s public address announcer who insisted upon referring to those of us in attendance as “scuffleodians” and, as the wrestlers prepared to square off would say “let’s scuffle.”
A Little About McKenzie Arena
Clockwise from upper left, the view from the tippy-top of McKenzie Arena (it was a long way up there!); some of the UTC athletic banners adorn the rafters’; the dedication plaque from 1982; the 1992-93 Moccasins finished 26-7 overall and 16-2 in the Southern Conference, winning both the regular-season and tournament championship before losing to fifth-seeded Wake Forest in the NCAA Tournament; the exterior of “The Roundhouse” promotes an upcoming SoCon game with Furman.
I found myself fascinated by host site of the Southern Scuffle, McKenzie Arena. Originally known as UTC Arena when it opened in 1982, it was renamed in 2000 following a donation from Toby McKenzie and Brenda Lawson from nearby Cleveland, TN.
More informally, the building is known as “The Roundhouse” for its round shape and for the railroad tradition in the city (e.g. the Chattanooga Choo-Choo or Glenn Miller’s ode). A railway roundhouse was the name of the building used to move train cars onto different tracks.
I made the climb to the top of “The Roundhouse” and – I cannot lie – felt a bit queasy near the top of the place. One, it was dimly lit upstairs, and two, the stairs ascended at quite a steep angle without the aid of handrails.
Suffice to say, I was delighted to make it back to the concourse in one piece and with my breakfast still in my tummy:-)
For the first time in The Sports Fan Project‘s history, members of the recently created $80 for 80 Circle of Champions who submitted their interest in entering the drawing received triple the entries. It’d be great to add your name to the Circle of Champions list, please consider supporting the work at that previous link.
Find out who the big winner is on the video below.
Are you feeling lucky? One entrant is about to receive an author-signed copy of We Sacrifice Everything to Baseball.