In this bonus episode in advance of host Doug Hill’s attendance of “The Rivalry” between Calvin University and Hope College as part of his Around the World in 80 Sporting Events project, Doug’s joined by Calvin and Hope’s respective athletic directors, Dr. Jim Timmer Jr. and Tim Schoonveld, to discuss the history of the rivalry, the schools, and what winning these contests means to each of them.

To listen to Jim and Tim’s Conversation please follow this link.