Doug’s joined in this episode by longtime work acquaintance, John Creasey. A former PK-12 educator, John’s now a staff member for the Michigan Education Association (MEA). More importantly, perhaps, he’s also the Mayor of Grand Blanc (MI), home of 2024 double Olympic Bronze Medalist Grant Fisher. Doug and John catch up on quite a lot during their time together, including what Grant means to the Grand Blanc community.

You’re able to listen to John’s Conversation here.